Devotee: Do you know? A scientific explanation of water?
Bali-mardana: H-2-O. Hydrogen, two molecules of hydrogen, one molecule of oxygen.
Prabhupāda: So in anywhere there is water, that formula is applicable?
Bali-mardana: Yes.
Prabhupāda: So, within the dob (coconut) there is water.
Bali-mardana: Yes.
Prabhupāda: So who supplied the chemicals?
Bali-mardana: Within the dob (coconut)?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Bali-mardana: The chemist. The supreme chemist.
Prabhupāda: So that is our theologist's... What is their explanation?
Bali-mardana: They say the water is from the ground. By the roots, it is drawn up to the dob (coconut).
Prabhupāda: I understand that. But the chemical is being supplied from the root?
Bali-mardana: Yes. Just like when there is no water they say the tree will die.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Bali-mardana: When there is no rain, the plant life cannot live. So they say that the water is drawn from the root to nourish the plant. [break]
Prabhupāda: ...water is drawn, then the question will be how the water is drawn?
Bali-mardana: Well, each tree has a system of, er, system of like tubes through which the water is drawn up.
Prabhupāda: Then as soon as there is system, system is done by somebody.
Bali-mardana: Hm.
Satsvarūpa: Nature, they say.
Bali-mardana: Nature, mother nature.
Prabhupāda: Yes, then mother nature why does not allow you to draw water from the ground? Then mother nature has got sense.
Sudāmā: Why mother nature doesn't let us draw water?
Prabhupāda: Yes, we cannot draw water.
Bali-mardana: But from the well we can draw water.
Sudāmā: We can find water.
Prabhupāda: No, no.
Satsvarūpa: In the mouth we have to drink it.
Prabhupāda: Not like the tree. Trees are called padapa. Padapa means it draws water from the leg. But why you cannot draw water from the leg, by the leg? Why you draw water by the hand?
Satsvarūpa: Because it's nature's arrangement.
Prabhupāda: That means nature has got sense.
Satsvarūpa: They say that nature has simply the desire to see that the species is propagated.
Prabhupāda: Anyway, when you see nature has arranged like that, just try to understand that the tree is made to draw water from the legs, but you cannot do. You have to draw water from the hand. Why different? As there is discrimination, there is sense. You should... It is nature's, I mean to say, order that, or arrangement that "You shall draw water from the hand, and the tree shall draw from the leg." So as there is different arrangement, there is discretion, why I am allowed to draw water by the hand and the tree is allowed to draw water from the leg.
Bali-mardana: They say that evolution.
Prabhupāda: Whatever it may be, there is discretion. As soon as you say evolution, then evolution means there is also some arrangement that "You shall act like this, and he shall act like this."
Sudāmā: Some people already believe, "Well, we already have so much water." Just like when we sweat, there is already water there. There's no question of drawing it from the... like the trees.
Prabhupāda: Why do you draw water? Why you draw water from other source? If you have got water? If you haven't got water, that's all right. Is that sufficient?
Sudāmā: No.
Prabhupāda: Then?
Satsvarūpa: Their idea of the arrangement is that everything is meant for man, for his exploitation and enjoyment.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Satsvarūpa: Everything is meant for man's, he's the chief living entity. That's their understanding of the arrangement. The tree may have to do this, but we can drink it another way.
Bali-mardana: Man uses his intelligence.
Prabhupāda: That means there is some superior supervision that "You must do like that. He must do like that." You call it nature. We accept that. We also say... Bhagavān, Kṛṣṇa says, prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni guṇaiḥ karmāṇi sarvaśaḥ: [Bg. 3.27] "Everything is being done by the direction of prakṛti, nature." So nature is superior than you. You have to accept. Because you are being directed by nature.
Bali-mardana: Their hope is that they can become superior to nature.
Prabhupāda: That is rascaldom. That is rascaldom. There is the foolishness.
prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni
guṇaiḥ sarvaśaḥ
ahaṅkāra-vimūḍhātmā
kartāham iti manyate
[Bg. 3.27]
This rascal, is being dictated by nature, but he's thinking that "I am the Lord."
Bali-mardana: He wants to be the best.
Prabhupāda: Ahaṅkāra-vimūḍhātmā. Vimūḍha, rascaldom, ahaṅkāra, by self-conceit. Falsely he's thinking that "I am doing it." Or "I shall be able to do it, without." This is foolishness, this is rascaldom. (japa) Good morning.
Passers-by: Good morning.
Satsvarūpa: The scientists can give evidence that so much control has been gained. Now we can fly all over the world...
Prabhupāda: Then so much control, that is another thing. But not control. "So much control" means no control. (japa) [break] ...admitted that we are controlled by nature. That you cannot refuse. That is foolishness. Now, next, how nature is working? That is also replied in the Bhagavad-gītā, mayādhyakṣeṇa prakṛtiḥ sūyate sa-carācaram: [Bg. 9.10] "The material nature is working..." Just like we are also taking the advantage of material nature, kṣity-ap-tejaḥ. Here is earth, but we can take this earth and make into brick and make a skyscraper building. So it is not that the earth itself is going to become a skyscraper building. I am living entity; I am utilizing. So nature means these five elements, eight elements. So that has been manipulated by another living entity. Just like the aeroplane is a combination of some matter, but it is being worked out by the manufacturer, by the pilot. Therefore that driver of the aeroplane or the manufacturer of the..., he's superior. So superior to the material nature is Kṛṣṇa. This is the conclusion. [break] ...our position is that we are being controlled by the material nature, and, and nature, material nature, is controlled by Kṛṣṇa. So the sense is that one who is at all sensible, that "After all, the controller is Kṛṣṇa. So why not directly under control of Kṛṣṇa?" This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Why through the material nature? I have to be controlled. I am being controlled by the material nature; and material nature is being controlled by Kṛṣṇa. So why not being directly controlled? This is good sense.
